Ian Malouf, the CEO of Dial A Dump, talks with Ross Greenwood about his plans to build a green energy facility at Eastern Creek.
Introduction – Dial a Dump planning a green energy facility
Ross Greenwood: Anyway, let’s go to another story today that I think also is going to be fascinating. That is the whole notion of what we do with our waste. This is an ongoing and significant story. What happened over a period of time is, you may not be aware that once you go to landfill, one of the smartest business I’ve all been saying, is actually on the bloke I’m going to talk to you now, Ian Malouf. He has a business called Dial a Dump. In other words, he sends out dump trucks to your house. You throw all your waste into the dump. You take it out to or he takes it out to his recycling plant.
He recycles all the stuff and most of it’s recycled. The rest of it goes into a massive hole in the ground which slowly fills up. Then he started to think about that until, well, hang on, all that stuff that’s in the ground, I suppose there’s going to be something coming off that maybe we could use that. As a result, that’s what he’s starting to do. To build an energy from waste. Sort of facility, which is just incredible. Just imagine this, you’re starting to create energy from the waste that has left over after recycling. Ian Malouf is the Chief Executive of Dial a Dump. He joins me now. Hello Ian, how are you?
Interview with Ian Malouf CEO of Dial a Dump
Ian Malouf: Good evening Ross, how are you?
Ross Greenwood: Look. Pensile, I’m very well. Some people will think you’re a genius. Other think, people will think you’re crazy but this is real, isn’t it? It happens in other parts of the world.
Ian Malouf: I said, regular, I’ve been overseas. Ross, it’s been– There’s over 2000 plants around the world operating very successfully. There’s 400 from their energy provider that’s providing our technology that they’ve built. They are significant players as tier one level for this great technology.
Ross Greenwood: Okay. Just explain the plant because a lot of people are saying, “Oh, It’s a big incinerator.” As a result, if you want to generate it, you’re going to create smoke. You’re going to create pollution. You’re going to do a lot other stuff. Just explain to people exactly how this type of thing works.
Ian Malouf: Okay. Ross, we have a very successful recycling business, as you know and many, many people know. We recycle a significant amount of the waste it comes to us up to 75, 85 % of what comes through our CND recycling plant, construction and demolition. From that there’s other waste streams as well, which have gone through a recycling process. What’s left after that is the residual waste which we bury. It’s combustible material and the moment goes to landfill and creates methane gas. Instead of doing that, we send it to the plant facility and it burns away, right. Thermally treated is a nicer term. People like to use the word incinerator. Incinerator is an open mass burning with no emission controls on it.
75% of this plant, which is very expensive plant, is all about the emissions control. What happens is the residual waste is then thermally treated. Creates the steam, spins the turbine and then creates enough power to power 200,000 homes. It’s a really significant facility from a green energy source. What it does really at the end of it is it stops three million cubic meters a year of greenhouse emissions hitting the atmosphere. [crosstalk]
Ross Greenwood: Okay. Just one thing about this, you’re a businessman and you do this because you think you can make money at about out of this. For example, Ian, for those people who don’t know, at Eastern Creek in Sydney, in the west of Sydney, built effectively or bought effectively the biggest hole in Sydney. Now when I say hole, I mean it’s a hole. It was an old quarry. That’s where he built his recycling plant on the top of that and slowly fills it up. He’s going to put this energy plant on the top of it and will therefore, as a result, create the electricity or the energy from that. In terms of you and you’ve never sure looking for a bulb, so you’ve obviously, from the investment you’re going to make got to get a return.
Is it enough money in this type of business to justify the expenditure?
Ian Malouf: Sure. Look, it is commercially sound that’s for sure. Over the world it commercially sound because the API will think that is the simplest return from many significance. Now, it’s all about promoting diversion from landfill. Unlike the Queensland, maybe where they don’t have one. We’ve got a million tons a year at the moment, staffing up the coast, to be dumping in Queensland as their dumping ground. We’re not only dumping on them in the 40, we’re now dumping all our waste on them as well. It’s a ridiculous situation where Queensland’s, absorbing a lot of waste out of here. I think common sense will prevail there. At the end of the day, it’s a great alternative to landfilling.
It’s a step above it and it’s really what is being promoted by legislation by the government and by the EPA.
Ross Greenwood: You’ve got to build this thing. How is the EPA? How is the government planning? How is all that stuff going forward to try get this in?
Ian Malouf: Pretty well. Like we’ve been working on this now for four years, Ross. It was late in 2014, 2013, there was a draft policy 2014 that became legislation. It’s relatively new. With– [crosstalk]
Ross Greenwood: You’re the community group out there that’s given- that is really against this. Does not want this to go ahead?
Ian Malouf: I don’t think that’s unusual. It’s the nimby of not wanting in my backyard and we respect that. I think when the technology is well understood, it’s sometimes hard to get across. When it’s well understood and seen and received like it has been oversea, you can see that it’s a much better alternative to landfilling. It’s far and away from that but this reduces the need for landfilling in Sydney. If not eradicate the need for another landfill altogether; it stops the need for landfilling and combustible materials will stop.
I look with respect that in the area that they think- that might be seen as a bad thing but overseas, for instance, in Switzerland, 87% of these plants that are located in close by proximity to homes and schools. In Paris, there’s one in the middle of Paris, France. I think it’s about one or two kilometers as crowd flies from the Eiffel Tower.
Ross Greenwood: You want good–
Ian Malouf: [crosstalk] – common place.
Ross Greenwood: Tell you what I got to keep on moving but good to have you on the program. See, this is the innovation that is needed. Given the fact that a lot of gas exploration has been stopped. You’ve got a lack of energy. You’ve got high electricity prices, high gas prices coming through the door. You could have a little bit of ingenuity coming out there and that’s at least one example of what might be achieved. Ian Malouf, the Chief Executive of Dial a Dump. Appreciate your time in the program, man.
Ian Malouf: Thank you Ross.